Jenna . I will always call that out, and I refuse to be intimidated or bullied by those who just cry foul or moan about not being nice. For you to say that I did makes you guilty of the thing you wrongly accuse me of and it is quite reprehensible. Cho brought letters to the elders and MacArthur who ultimately told him he needed to "walk back" his findings if he wanted to remain an elder. by RELEVANT. In 2012, at the annual Shepherd's Conference, MacArthur was participating in a word association questionnaire when the moderator gave the name "Steven Furtick." John Fea | February 10, 2023 1 Comment. [4], The grandson of Canadian Anglican minister Harry MacArthur (died 1950) and son of Baptist radio preacher Jack MacArthur (born in Calgary, Canada)[5] and Irene Dockendorf, MacArthur was born in Los Angeles. The point you made about Matt Chandler was that he does not live as a Christian (how can you know that? The digressive discussion of church trappings in some ways diminishes the toxic nature of this actual ministry content its danger isnt in size or wealth or me focus, it is in the false gospel it promotes he is not qualified to preach. Mike no one is saying that a pastor should be poor. I have not misrepresented what you said. It demonstrates a mindset that says this is MY church. Submitted by escamp on August 31, 2015 - 3:04pm. Earlier this year his church was embroiled in a scandal over their handling of a child sexual abuse case. My own view is that he didnt handle it particularly well even when forced to act. Really? Its a sad fact that this nonsense is already here in Scotland supported by the new breed of self appointed apostles and prophets. Finally, you make the extremely serious accusation that I have caused disunity in the body of Christ by calling Matt Chandler a false teacher and by comparing him with Scott McKenna; both accusations are totally false and completely unacceptable. (At this point I am of course aware of the same danger for myself and it certainly does act as a warning to me! I challenged that because I regard these as serious charges and not to made lightly against a Christian brother. The biggest threat to the church comes not from fundamentalist atheists or those of another religion, it comes from within. I might write a review later but the book is dreadful Mark Driscoll and Tim Keller, for example, are frequently careless and irreverent in the way they use Scripture. Really? 3) There is no point 3) other than it is a demonstration of your setting up a straw man in the hope you will have something to argue against. Ironically tu quoque was what you were using about Chandler (as well as ad hom). Its not loving, judgemental, take the beam out of your own eye, it aint wrong to be rich, youre just jealous, hypocrite. Chandler only eventually took action as the wheels were about to fall off the Mars Hill bus and, sadly, only when great damage had already been done to the body of Christ. Since then I have occasionally listened to a sermon, read articles and heard news programes, and watched as this Southern Baptist church has grown to a reported 20,000 plus. I hear the anti christ will also be a great orator and just as charismatic. More a worry that this kind of thing will take deeper root here. Could you tell me the difference? And lets talk about finance. You rightly speak out against the Scott McKennas of this world but you seem to have a blind spot where certain pastors are concerned. Legal Statement. I did read your comments. His church takes in $500,000 per weekcertainly it has given $10 million over a decade to other causes, but for a congregation which is taking in over $26 million a year, that is hardly sacrificial giving. Well, given that many years ago I encouraged one of our young people to complete his studies at Spurgeons College and accept an internship at First Dallas Baptist, it would have to be that one. 2) Its also not advisable as someone who professes to be a Christian and follow Christ to swear. But like John Flavel I regard as a pretty close second the threat of disunity in the body of Christ not least that caused by those who go around unjustly and wrongly accusing others of false teaching. There is nothing more basic than these. There's some really helpful information in there. But again I explained why I chose Dallas. John MacArthur - Jr. Church and Steven Furtick Jamie A 154 subscribers Subscribe 214K views 7 years ago Fun little clips I put together to give an example of what Dr. MacArthur was speaking on.. (Genaro Molina / Los Angeles Times via Getty Images), Fox News Flash top headlines for January 3. Your other remarks continue to be provocative, misleading and snide and I wont grace them with a reply, other than to say that I have no need to retract any of my remarks, for the reasons already explained to you. It is an appalling rant already and Ive only read the first couple of chapters. (You can read the follow up five years later! You call them out or call them to repentance but see no need to repent yourself. My point was that its not only out and out heretics, such as McKenna, who are a danger to the church. "In a recent sermon given by Steven Furtick of Elevation Church around Christmas 2016, Furtick continues to demonstrate that John Macarthur is right in his assessment that Furtick is indeed 'unqualified to be a pastor by not . Jenna Ellis,the churchs attorney,tweeted about the settlement. When people are being led astray genuine believers must stand up challenge and expose. [38] He has delivered multiple sermons where he discusses these issues. Very pleased with the approval of an $800,000 settlement and total win for my clients, @johnmacarthur and @GraceComChurch, on behalf of @ThomasMoreSoc. Pastor John MacArthur on Sunday commended GraceLife Church in Alberta, Canada, which is meeting in secret after the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) barricaded their building behind three layers of chain link fence. I dont agree that its always wrong to mock (otherwise Elijah, Paul and Jesus were wrong), and indeed sometimes mockery has its place. Powered and implemented by FactSet Digital Solutions. It was a fantastic balance of biblical theology and Christ centered worship. I made no comment on how Matt Chandler lives as a Christian. The Good Contrary to expectations I am not one of those Calvinist ministers who automatically discounts any church which grows beyond a couple of hundred, as being a mega fake, doctrinally incorrect, pseudo church. Its not the unadulterated Word of God for our generation. It is wonderful stuff Matt and Tim Keller are two mega church US pastors who I listen to every week! [31][32][33], MacArthur believes "that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved" (Romans 10:9). You equate him with the false teaching of Furtick and Elevation Church. 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[45] His major contention was that there was no justification for closing down churches over a disease with 94% survival rate according to misinterpreted data from the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). Because your worth it! LOL! 2023 The Christian Broadcasting Network, Inc., A nonprofit 501 (c)(3) Charitable Organization. But cant we all recognize how difficult we find that? John MacArthur, pastor of the popular Grace Community megachurch, is recovering from a sudden onset of illness. He did say that some of his views reflected the old style Liberation Theology and Social Gospel, confusion over eternal punishment and other things. (Note the attempted injection of humour!). Stay informed with the latest from CBN News delivered to your inbox. I agree that the greatest threat to the church comes from false teachingas you will know if you read this blog. "Just so you know, Pastor John had a bug this week and preached our first hour but asked if he might be able to take a break for the second hour. I would ask you to withdraw your remarks about legalism.posting serious allegations.refusing to substantiate them if you are in any way suggesting that I am such a person. I am happy though if you wish to withdraw your initial comments. As for Southern Baptists liking Donald Trump, its almost as bad as you liking Scottish Nationalism. Where is the blessed self-forgetfulness? Sadly, however, there are also times when you use it to bully, abuse and browbeat. Each person will answer to God for themselves. Eventually, all lawsuits were settled out of court with the County of Los Angeles and the State of California paying $400,000 each to Grace Community Church. As he walked across the stage July 26 to the large, wooden pulpit, the auditorium that seats 3,500 people was filled with non-masked, non-socially distanced conservative . Dear David, I hope this is mature and open enough for you! I think youve just answered your own question; how very sad. 3) You respond by providing no evidence and say that you are not against mega churches. That is grotesque manipulation and a parody of the Gospel. I was not picking on one church: you offered Matt Chandler as an example of how mega churches get it right and I was replying to that by urging caution. "[7][8] MacArthur followed in his father's footsteps to enroll at the fundamentalist Bob Jones College from 1957 to 1959. [47] In August 2021, MacArthur told congregants that "many people" had contracted COVID-19 while it "went through" the church in December 2020 and January 2021, including both him and his wife. I fail to see where the legalism is in any of my comments. But it takes a lot of hard work, time, and money to do what we do. Check out what's clicking on Foxnews.com. It just looks weird. MacArthur told church members ahead of his sermon that many people contracted COVID and it probably went through our church in maybe December or January. The pastor said he and his wife, Patricia, enjoyed our own bout with COVID for about a week and a half.. New Calvinism quenches that desire, and true dedication to a distinctive Christian life.. You state, Name calling really doesnt constitute argument does it? and yet you have no problem with calling me dishonest. [48][49], In February 2023 Christianity Today[50] published multiple instances of MacArthur's Grace Community church advising woman to stay with sexually and physically abusive husbands. You can either keep silent, go of to somewhere else who will accept your gossip, or repent.obviously I would prefer the latter! JOIN Elevation Church Sunday Service with Steven Furtick at 2PM, 5PM, 8PM, 10PM, Live Stream (December-12-2021). It is a serious breach of the ninth commandment to defame someone in this manner. (Screenshot credit: Julie Roys/YouTube), Error: There was an internal error submitting your form. No-one can find out what Pastor Stephen is paid, although it is decided by a committee of out of town pastors/advisors (who are probably on the same arrangement). I would urge you to reread the comments by G White and your own responses to them before prayerfully replying. David, you seem so eager to fire off your stock answers and insults that it sometimes appears that you havent properly read the comments first. An unknown man clad in black confronted Grace Community Church pastor John MacArthur during service on Sunday, Aug. av. [51] They have four children, fifteen grandchildren, and had two great-grandsons by 2017. Help us continue to be a voice for truth in the media by supporting CBN News for as little as $1. He teaches a completely restored Israel shall inherit physical ownership of the land of Canaan on the earth. From a spiritual standpoint its an even bigger (and opposite) no-brainer! To be really honest, I find it very difficult to muster up any Christian love for you when you respond to people in this way, though I do recognise that this is something I need Gods help with and forgiveness for. rm. [20] The event featured a number of speakers who argued for cessationist theology and strongly critiqued the Charismatic Movement. And after 63 years of sacrificial kindness to our city, to be repeatedly threatened with court-ordered efforts to shut Grace Community Church down when no one is sick reveals an inexplicable preference for a mostly harmless virus over the life-enriching and necessary fellowship of the church., As for MacArthurs own battle against COVID-19, the 82-year-old pastor was absent from the pulpit on Dec. 27, 2020. Staff Pastor Tom Patton delivered the sermon in MacArthurs stead, telling churchgoers the senior minister was resting., ***As the number of voices facing big-tech censorship continues to grow, please sign up forFaithwires daily newsletterand download theCBN News app, to stay up-to-date with the latest news from a distinctly Christian perspective.***. 3) Its not Furtick who will save the world from hate, crime, drugs etc. During the event, MacArthur accused the Southern Baptist Convention of . 5) Yes the legalism one still stands. Excellent post David. He picked out three words from Joshua 10, 12 (Sun stand still) and turned them into a doctrine, and he peppered his performance with occasional biblical quotes to back it up. Googling information about his ministry will provide a number of discussions of his content. I d not think there is any man alive especially a young man who could cope with this degree of adulation and not have his head explode with pride. When asked why he marketed his book (or to be more accurate why the church paid thousands to market his book), he was unapologetic, if he didnt believe the message he wouldnt market it. Sorry David, we must be talking about different books. Thank you for your answer re the mega church your reason for mentioning Dallas Baptist Church favourably is because you know a young man who did some good mission work. "[23][24], In 1983, MacArthur first published his belief in the doctrine of "incarnational sonship." Then you will remember your evil ways and your wicked deeds, and you will loathe yourselves for your sins and detestable practices. Didnt appreciate the joking about drug use. If you were not speaking about Chandler then why write it here? They make their workers and volunteers sign a confidentiality arrangement that they will not disclose anything about the finances of the church, or they will be sued. issued his own declaration against the county, John MacArthur Warns Christians to Stop Making 'Alliances With Satan' in Remarks on Religious Liberty, Falsely Accused: John MacArthur's Grace Community Church 'Cleared of COVID-19 Outbreak', but Battle Rages On, 'It's Tyranny': Pastor MacArthur Will Get His Day in Court, Fighting CA Shutdown of Churches, Historic Win: John MacArthur Claims Victory in Lawsuit Over Church Restrictions, After Asbury Shutters Revival Services, Outpouring Moved to Lexington Arena: See Full Video Here, 'I Prayed in the Name of Jesus, and He Answered': Heroes Rescue 17,000 While 'Saving Aziz' in Afghanistan. Its wrong to mock and you should try to win them over without mockery. [21][22], MacArthur argues that modern "visions, revelations, voices from heavendreams, speaking in tongues, prophecies, out-of-body experiences, trip to heaven, anointings, miracles all false, all lies, all deceptions attributed falsely to the Holy Spirit." The preacher's admission came amid news that Grace Community Church in Sun Valley received an $800,000 settlement from Los Angeles County after defying pandemic-induced health orders. Cho was told by MacArthur to "forget it" when he called on the elders to "do justice. Some might expect be to be critical of the entertainment Hillsong style worship and the whole professional stage go that goes along with it. But to me that is clear what it is. Cho discovered that Grace Community Church advised women to stay in abusive relationships and worked to have the church apologize for past mistakes. Your endorsement of Williams book which I have now read is indicative of that. I'm a bank robber. The screenshot below is from page 4 of Elevation Church's helpful Spontaneous Baptism How To Guide. ", MacArthur is married to his wife, Patricia. So issuing a challenge to either support them or decry them is meaningless. MacArthur 12 having been Jul 25, 2017 - Explore Rhonda Johnson's board "Elevation Church", followed . I dont do stock answers. This is a really long post that deals almost exclusively, unfortunately, with secondary issues (church size, communications gifts, me focus, salary, wealth, size of house, and more) and thereby obscures the central and clarifying point of Furticks ministry. So it wasnt all bad. Stephen Furtick I just listened (lots of fast-forwarding) to a talk he gave at the New Spring church titled Sun Stand Still (which I think relates to one of his books). 1. In 1960, after a year off, he was accepted to the Free Methodist Churchs Los Angeles Pacific College, where in his senior year he observed two games of football, going on field once for one play (see 1962 yearbook statistics). Im afraid I have had more than enough of this kind of depressing legalism and self-righteousness pride(and before you jump in yes I admit I can all too easily be the same).. At the risk of over-blogging (I dont want to be a bore), have you seen this just the introduction. The truth is whether it is a mega church pastor in the US, or a small church pastor in Scotland, it is not OUR church, it is HIS. However I dont think it is wise or correct to take the givings of the Lords people to make oneself a millionaire actually that is sinful. You've successfully subscribed to this newsletter! Lets put it this way- if you are buying a $1.8 million home you aint exactly of the take no purse school of ministry! MacArthur responded "unqualified" and proceeded to argue that Furtick, pastor of Elevation Church, was not qualified, by Biblical standards, to be a pastor. The writer of Hebrews 12:14 states frankly that only those who continue living holy lives will enter the Lord's presence." You can follow him on Twitter @timothynerozzi and can email him at timothy.nerozzi@fox.com, Get all the stories you need-to-know from the most powerful name in news delivered first thing every morning to your inbox. 2023 FOX News Network, LLC. Matt. It is also grossly unfair (and dishonest) for you to misrepresent my position as making some pastors untouchable. Having said that I followed the mega church scene in the USA I was aware of what was going on in Dallas and in other places too. Hell is not something to be used as a curse word it is real. He went on to say, "I understand that Im a fifth cousin, and so its quite a distance but nonetheless we are related. You are just exporting your own. "Because ours is such a free and prosperous society; it is easier for Christians to feel secure by presuming on instead of depending on God's grace." - John MacArthur. It was not an accusation, nor an attack. Los Angeles County had sued the church and its pastor, John MacArthur, last August after officials said he had he opened the church and held a large indoor worship service with unmasked attendees . Give me one example of Kellers irreverence? John MacArthur and the folks from Grace to You (GTY) have done the body of Christ a great service by continually warning Christianity against the growing dangers within the Charismatic movement. Last summer I had the privilege to attend and worship at an Acts 29 church plant in Shepherds Bush, and I pray that God would plant more churches like it across the UK. I think about it this way would I rather sell a million copies of my books with little fruit, or sell a few hundred of each and yet have those few hundred profoundly affect and change the lives of many? The reality is that you have a bunch of people who want pastors to be poor while they make fortunes off of fake news. He has been the pastor-teacher of Grace . He argued at the time that such mandates violated constitutionally protected religious liberties. Weve been getting those kind of signals for the last number of weeks., A year ago, when county officials were trying for the fourth time to obtain a court order to shutter Grace Community Church, MacArthurissued his own declaration against the county, which he argued was impeding on his congregations free exercise of religion by criminalizing activity directly required by our faith. He went on to state the church has moral and religious obligations to continue allowing our congregants to gather in our sanctuary to worship the Lord., The utter unnecessary deprivation of all our people by completely shutting down the mutual love and care that sustains our people in all the exigencies, pressures, and challenges of life was cruel, he said. He also read a heartfelt letter that the church's pastor sent to MacArthur's congregation. Whether this ministry attracted 2 or 2 million is irrelevant the ministry is identified simply by its content as false and shunned. [12], MacArthur's daily radio and television program, Grace to You, now broadcast throughout much of the world, was created by the Grace media team to publicize audio cassettes of sermons; in 1977, it was first broadcast in Baltimore, Maryland. John MacArthur is wrong about so much more than keeping women in abusive marriages. Whether you are a legalist or not I dont know. We only do pale imitations of what is not great anyway! John MacArthur. Someone feels free to go on the internet post serious accusations and then refuse to substantiate them. LOS ANGELES PASTOR JOHN MACARTHUR PUBLICLY REBUKES GAVIN NEWSOM FOR 'DIABOLICAL' POLICIES, INVOKING JESUS, Pastor John MacArthur preaches at Grace Community Church in Los Angeles. Because Elevation Church certainly dont want to. [1] He has been the pastor of Grace Community Church, a non-denominational church in Sun Valley, California since February 9, 1969. Yea not Steve but the ones who bash or become busy bodies against him. Elevation Church's revival is seeing some theological controversy. But again, whilst it is not my style, I dont see why it cant be done well, reverently and to the glory of God. all Christians are the same etc. Chandler, a Reformed evangelical pastor, spoke as a guest speaker at Elevation last Friday, the third night of the Code Orange Revival. lq mk The young man concerned served for many years as a missionary in South America before returning to the USA to head up the North American Mission Board of the Southern Baptist Convention. It is not really a battle between science and the Bible. Its always good to get correction! How John MacArthur loves the Bible but not his neighbor. If not why do you feel in a position to judge? Powered and implemented by FactSet Digital Solutions. I've carried one of these of an NAS with the New Testament, Psalms, and Proverbs with me for years and years, so that's why I wanted this to be the first one. Help us continue to be a voice for truth in the media by supporting CBN News for as little as $1. 'Changed My Whole Entire Being': Ex-Strip Club Owner Born Again, Now Works to Help Victims of Sex Trafficking, US Cracks Down, Bans TikTok on All Federal Phones. March 5, 2021 . Conclusion: And now I wait. As a preliminary observation, there is no name calling. Thanks again, Your email address will not be published. If theyre charities (and I suspect many of them will be) then theyre monitored by OSCR, and will have to submit yearly, independently audited, accounts. His message contained enough truth to make it seem plausible, but at heart it was man-centered. One such person who has joined the ranks of GTY is Cameron Buettel, author . What if Joh MacArthur preached at Steven Furtick's church?Christian Music is Destroying Millions?great worship and sound doctrine.What's wrong with Elevation. Furtick preaches a different gospel. I dont know enough to say anything about the worship, church structure and other ministries of the church, so I wont. (By the way I would suggest that you learn what is name is). Thanks for this. [18] Furthermore, he believes that we are obliged to render full submission to scripture above all else and that "[t]o mishandle the Word of God is to misrepresent the One who wrote it. Fox News Flash top headlines are here. If I were like that I would have to discount the Church at Pentecost! In 1989, after some criticism, he defended his views in a plenary session of the annual convention of the Independent Fundamental Churches of America (IFCA). Williams has more than misgivings about neo-Calvinism (as he calls it to call Piper, Keller and the Proclamation Trust neo-Calvinists is just silly). I have nothing to be jealous of as regards Furtick. G White I am really sorry to read your last reply. This has become an increasing generational divide, where self help and selfishness mixed with weird legalism has been manufactured, packaged, and sold as faith. It is no improvement on, or explanation of, the Word of God. New Artificial Intelligence Program ChatGPT Generates Concern: A Liberal Bias? Outwith a Southern US culture it makes no sense and Im not sure that for many of my Southern friends it makes any sense either. You then go to the other extreme and say that I am lumping every mega church together. For me there is no doubt that some of Scotlands independent churches and ministries, need to be investigated re their finances..question is who does it? "[44], In 2020 and 2021, during the COVID-19 global crisis, MacArthur contravened orders from Los Angeles County public health officials regarding services at Grace Community Church, and insisted that no one from the church had become seriously ill, despite reports to the contrary. 4, 3-4). John Fullerton MacArthur Jr. (born June 19, 1939) is an American Protestant pastor and author known for his internationally syndicated Christian teaching radio and television program Grace to You. 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