It had happened almost surely the last, night they were together, and DNA tests would later prove that Andrew was, (Supreme Court exterior; court in progress; house exterior; Shirley and Shears. After reading what happened to that poor innocent little boy I truly think that the people responsible for leaving him with his dangerous, violent suicidal mother should do hard time in prison. ', KATE: He's so loved. MORRISON: But would that somebody turn out to be a blessing or a curse? The public declaration all but removed the Bagbys doubts. On a shelf in the California home of David and Kate Bagby, sitting inconspicuously among some lovely china, are two urns. Mr. BAGBY: Without those cell phone records, they couldn't formally charge. (Canadian flags; Newfoundland; lake and coast; man in coat; photos of Shirley, and Zachary; Kate, David and Zachary; Shirley, Kate and Zachary; Supreme Court, building; photos of David, Kate, Zachary and Shirley), Mr. BAGBY: Dealing with Turner was like, I don't know, walking around with. What shocked fans the most was that Kate actually took David back, and the pair dated for a while after the show aired. I guess they just clenched their teeth and did it.. David and Kate Bagby must have been saints to have had to tolerate personal dealings with their only child's murderess,and basically have to groval to her to even see their precious only-ever grandchild.Yet,they did whatever they could for the sake of Zachary.Most people (myself included) would have made away with Shirley Turner the first chance they got.Why should they have even been put in that insane situation in the first place? "She was difficult to get to know," says Kate. Well, I was hurt in an, accident. Are you having a good day with grandmom and. (Shears; photo of Shirley, Zachary and Shears; Shears walking), Mr. SHEARS: Suddenly everything rushes into you, and you realize that she, did murder Andrew. He grew into a smart kid, an Eagle Scout who loved to read. KATE: (Audio recording) Right. This book was very well written, and straight to the point. The man said Turner had called him about 200 times in a one-month period, including a call to tell him she was pregnant with his child. Absolutely riveting.i couldn't put it down, and was completely draw in and addicted. The court allowed the Bagbys supervised visits with Zachary. Mrs. Kate Holland Bagby, age 101, of Flowery Branch entered into eternal rest with her Heavenly Father on Tuesday, Oct. 2, 2012, at her residence following a short illness. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Andrew_Bagby_and_Zachary_Turner 314 [deleted] 5 mo. I didn't have. then one day I realized what it was. That they survived such horrible adversity is a testament to their courage, resolve and love. Written by the father of the murder victim, you learn all the details that led up to his son's murder and the preventable murder of his grandson. This report aired Dateline Friday, July 23. "He was beautiful," Kate . His wife and himself also were quick to not harvest bitterness towards Turner's children,relatives,etc. Turner had not finished with the family yet. "We had to do something to channel our rage and sorrow," he says. I don't know how they are still living, but he described their heartbreak and pain so effectively. May give you a new appreciation for being an American. MORRISON: It's no easy thing to be a doctor in America. Therefore be forewarned that the back of the book reveals exactly what happened, as does the book itself near the beginning. I mean, the best man is really the groom. And Kate would walk into the house, especially when Andrew was home for a visit from the University of California-Irvine. (Talking in group) This is not about money. And because he made friends easily, the Bagbys home was the hangout for Andrew and his friends. Only Kate and David, MORRISON: Perhaps the most irksome part of the deal with Shirley. HEATHER: I was so excited that he was dating somebody. Mr. KUENNE: He liked playing bad guys a lot. In February 2002, Turners Canadian lawyer made an announcement that changed everything: Shirley Turner was pregnant with Andrew Bagbys baby. He rarely posts on his private Instagram, so there's very little information about what his life has looked like after the show. Mr. SHEARS: Yeah, I guess it did at the time, but I still didn't have, MORRISON: How difficult must it have been to ingratiate, themselves with their son's suspected killer? MORRISON: What do you do about this? Co-workers later said he told Turner their relationship was finished. Book details an absolute tragedy in the Canadian justice system. I have to be honest, I've stopped reading this at 27%. I said, `Find her, and I think you'll find who did this.'. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) It's either in my closet or my bedroom. ", Get email updates with the day's biggest stories. Instead, the hearings and appeals dragged on for nearly two years. I became very emotional with this horrifying tale of injustice. HEATHER: I knew he'd been struggling with me moving on and dating other people. Man #14: I admire you and respect you so much for two things. Why? And one, of the first to see her there was T.J. Shears, the eldest of Shirley's three. But something kept me going, and. Mackenzie spent a semester studying abroad in Dublin, and has had the travel bug ever since. But of course I didn't. Kate to keep up their end of that bargain. At times, one would pull the other back from the brink. If you dont believe that, you need only follow the Bagbys lives over the past five years. would now have to be something else, a visual letter to Andrew's baby. The Bagbys are extraordinary people. Not always.. KATE: You get a different kind of relationship with God after this kind of. He was the whole world to them. Beyond all that, they have each other, which has proven to be a force stronger than they ever knew. Now that Zachary was starting to walk, he was free to make a beeline to. That is not a spoiler, as it is on the back of the book. There won't be any question about whether she can hurt, MORRISON: Coming up, as David Bagby wrestles with these terrible. `Are you Kathleen Bagby? I said, `Yes. He said, `You have to call the coroner in Greensburg. I knew then, it had to be Andrew.. KATE: And so she said, `Oh, take him and get him dressed,' to me. This is tragically cut with one of Andrew's friends remembering that he was never latewhich is how he knew, when Andrew didn't arrive to his house as planned, that something was terribly wrong. MORRISON: Coming up, Andrew dead. KATE: I thought, `Well, God, this is it.' Kate said Shirley insisted on keeping Zachary in, the deep pool, which frustrated him because he couldn't move on his own. A security guard reported hearing a. Mr. SHEARS: When we woke up in the morning, realized they weren't there. will not hurt Zachary, period. "In a small sense we have found some peace and contentment," says David. What they've been doing with their activism is wonderful. put Zachary on her lap to open presents, and he resists. They did everything they could, and more than most would be able to try to find justice for their son, while trying to care for Zachary in the worst possible circumstances. This provision has a good chance of causing judges and prosecutors to fix what got Zachary killed.". Dance with the Devil is a eulogy for a dead son, an elegy for lives cut tragically short, and a castigation of a broken system. And she followed Andrew to St. John's. Miss Manners: I shouldn't call because the phone scares people? A variation on glop, adds David, but it was good, often. "At some point in the future, a judge will see this and research it and I'm hoping that it will protect minor children.". They held their breath. When I read true crime, I like to see more back story of the people involved. This sad tale tells how slowly justice moved and failed to protect an innocent year old child. Then when he sort of tried to get her to go away, she wouldnt.. Said, `Oh, no, I really can't.'. While watching the few minutes of the show, I could not believe that what the woman in the 'story' had done (at the end of the show/book) (and don't want to give away the ending here). First she killed Andrew Bagby. I'm absolutely sure. Elsewhere in St. Johns, T.J. Shears, who first reported his mother and Zachary missing, was suffering his own devastation. (Trailer park; parking lot; water; Kurt on boat; excerpts from "Dear Zachary"; houses seen through rainy window; Kate and Zachary). And I don't know, I just lay on top of her and we, MORRISON: T.J. opened the door to police, too, and heard the. Temptation Island: Where To Follow The Season 3 Single Girls On IG. (Driving through rainy street; correctional facility sign; Andrew; Kurt, Unidentified Woman #8: They would drive two hours to the jail. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. For three seasons now, Temptation Island has been a social experiment to see if long-term couples are able to fix their broken relationships by going on an island full of attractive singles. And he'd be like(turns. Details aplenty as this book includes legal cases, quoted interviews, diary portions, and anything you can imagine.This is a complete emotional roller coaster so buckle up and be prepared. David Bagby vowed to "scream long and loud about that." He penned a book, Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss, released in 2007. Spent casings matched Turner's handgun and a witness saw a car similar to hers parked next to Andrew's car. They know they deal with their grief differently and they honor that. She would never go away. And that little boy. MORRISON: And tell me about your mum with Zachary. KATE: I sat there and bit my lip and cried. Reviewed in the United States on March 14, 2022. Specific in nature? I would have to dream up some reason to go over, there in the middle of the night, to--for me to just appear on her doorstep, Mr. BAGBY: Turned out I wasn't. The ending was so shocking, I was screaming with David Bagby That bitch! Even though I knew the outcome, the day the main incident occurs, I was still shocked when the pages finally reveal the events that lead up to that day. At some point, police say, Turner tied the arms of her jacket together to lash Zachary to her as she walked carrying him. I dont know.. I can understand that. "All I could say was: 'My son is dead? On Aug. 5, Turners social worker visited her apartment to check on Turner and Zachary. Kate says everything seemed to be going smoothly, until here. [2] : 494 [3] At the time, Shirley had been released on bail and . Permissions beyond the scope of this license may be available from thestaff@tvtropes.org. MORRISON: It was August 2003, the wee hours of the morning by the ocean. Cpl. This book just reinforces the obliviousness and callousness of " the system" towards victims and its sick preoccupation with criminals' rights. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I do have a complaint, finally. After breaking up at the final bonfire and ultimately reconciling, here's what David and Kate have been up to since Temptation Island season 2 aired. It was deeply affecting and the saddest true crime story I have ever heard of. Why don't you just take him?'. MORRISON: How did you find out what happened, how he had been killed? Instead they focused on their physician sons legacy, while contemplating ways to honor his memory. (Shirley in court; Supreme Court of Newfoundland sign), Mr. BAGBY: And then they started slogging through the courts with one issue, MORRISON: In the meantime, Andrew's parents made a momentous. I got to see what happens to the bastard who did this. True, heartbreaking story of a son's disastrous love relationship and the son his murderer bore. a--with a hand grenade in the kitchen with the pin already pulled. David Bagby, who plans to send a copy of his book to key Canadian legislators, says he will continue to fight for bail reform. Mr. SHEARS: It seemed like it to me, yeah. On the film's website, David asks those who have seen Kurt's documentary to write to the Canadian Minister of Justice and add their name to his campaign. This quote is repeated over and over as Kuenne describes plenty of evidence of just that: fifteen-minute suicide watch while imprisoned, threatening to stab another inmate, restraining orders against Shirley by eight different people, previously attempting suicide on an ex-lover's property, etc. Since their son was murdered in 2001 and their . She pulled herself together and called David, then a technical writer at Ditech Networks in Mountain View. And Turner had said he was a, MORRISON: But there were some caveats. MORRISON: Andrew was the only child of software engineer David Bagby and his wife, Kate, a nurse practitioner. Zachary Andrew Turner was born July 18, 2002. Neither speaks for the other. To calculate the overall star rating and percentage breakdown by star, we dont use a simple average. What if she is backed in a. corner? So intense, horrifying, and yet inspired by the love and devotion of Andrews parents and their dedication to raise and teach their one and only sweet grandson. And I said, `Who?' As the couple continued to date, Andrew complained to friends that Turner would not leave him alone. Copious evidence against Turner gradually came to light, and suspicion of her was compounded when she fled the country to her home in Newfoundland. We. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) This is Shirley Turner, yes. The watch was continued after a more comprehensive psychological exam. "We never expected it. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Yeah. ', MORRISON: But they'd have to wait almost a month. Unidentified Man #22: We will develop policy specific to children. Kate was a nurse, recently arrived from England. MORRISON: The Bagbys said that Shirley would later apologize for, her reaction. I had lovely family. In the beginning, Kate did not pursue any romantic relationshipswith the single menin the house, but David almost immediately started flirting with the single women. I read on Netflix it's best you know nothing about the story, and that is so true. MORRISON: Andrew's best friend, filmmaker Kurt Kuenne, suddenly, just knew what he had begun as a small film to memorialize his old friend. It didnt take Pennsylvania police long to put together a suspect and motive, according to the 1,100-page Turner Review and Investigation, which was commissioned by the province of Newfoundland. MORRISON: When T.J. heard about Andrew's murder Mr. SHEARS: I just figure, `OK, well, he was in America. Reviewed in the United Kingdom on January 31, 2022, Great story with a big shocker i didnt see coming. Kurt's film, meanwhile, was released last year and hailed in the US as one of 2008's most moving documentaries. doesn't take much to pull a trigger, does it? How they were able to do that is phenomenal, actually, says the Rev. So I gave her the. It is a priority for CBC to create products that are accessible to all in Canada including people with visual, hearing, motor and cognitive challenges. In November 2001, Bagby was found dead under suspicious circumstances in a local park, to the anguish of many. KATE: People thought she was delicate, you know, and looked KATE: She couldn't kill. MORRISON: Winter is capricious in Newfoundland; repeatedly, spring is briefly offered and then taken back again. It was deeply affecting and the saddest true crime story I have ever heard of. Reviewed in the United States on October 1, 2022. Go away.'. If. This is a heartbreaking book written about Andrew Bagby and also about his son Zachary by Andrew's dad David Bagby. Twelve years older, she became obsessed with him. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I know you don't want to, you don't intend to. I may be in Fantasyland. Shockingly, despite everything that happened both on and after the show, Kate and David made another go of it. MORRISON: When somebody tells you that your mother may have--was a suspect Mr. SHEARS: No, it has to be a mistake. Despite being a documentary, this film revolves around a major plot twist in its second half, and many of the trope names themselves are spoilers for it. Zachary, how's our baby today? We had to pack up Zachary, Mr. BAGBY: We just climbed right back upstairs and went to bed and melted. MORRISON: The sea at midnight was endless black. MORRISON: Shirley also claimed to have been at home in Iowa, sick in bed the day of the murder. He and his wife also participated in a. My heart aches for Kate and David Bagby. For those who've asked how Kate & David Bagby are doing now, here's a lovely article from Diane Crocker at Newfoundland's The Western Star. Sold and delivered by Audible, an Amazon company, By completing your purchase, you agree to Audibles. Both reactions are legitimate, prompted by the same tragic loss, David says. Tragically, this is proven exactly right when she kills Zachary. In June, the federal justice minister ordered her turned over to U.S. authorities. He was especially delighted to hear that David and Kate Bagby are once again hauling out boxes of Christmas decorations that went unused for so long. KATE: And she went over in the corner crying, and I gave him back. It doesnt go away.. I mean, we would never, disagree with her or fight with her about anything unless there was real. And that was midafternoon. It was the last time the Bagbys would see Zachary. KATE: Ah, it was wonderful. children, who had recently been in a bad car accident. 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